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Seminary education from a distance and other musings.

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Thinking about seminary?

I am an advocate for earning one’s seminary education from a distance. That is not to say that I dislike being “on location.” Honestly, I don’t think online education quite matches the experience of being in a class room with a professor and peers. Someday resources like Skype or Google Plus Hangout may bring the online classroom right into the physical one, but for now most forms of online learning consist of videos of recorded classes at best. Unfortunately, many have to make great sacrifices to go to a seminary campus. Often relocation is involved. Sometimes the “local” seminary lacks resources so the only option is to go somewhere else. For those who are active in ministry this may result in a Catch-22: leave your paid vocation to train for the same paid vocation without any assurance that the additional training will result in a pay raise although there is a guarantee that it may result in more debt. (If you haven’t thought about the debt let me recommend these post that I have written recently: “Seminary won’t solve all your doctrinal quagmires, but it may create some financial ones.” ; “Education for the sake of being educated.”; and “‘Too poor to take the vow of poverty,’ or, more on seminaries and student debt.”)

Amanda MacInnis was motivated by one of my recent posts on seminary education to re-post her thoughts on why going to a seminary campus is beneficial in “Benefits of Going To Seminary,” which I will summarize here:

(1) You will receive a new perspective on things.

(2) It can be a time of refreshing and healing.

(3) It can be a time of exploration.

(4) It can be a time to discover new gifts.

(5) It can be a time to network and develop new friends.

(6) It can be a time to focus.

You will need to read the post for MacInnis’ further commentary on each point. Let me say in response, “Yes, this is correct.” When I did my MA at Western Seminary near San Jose it was within driving distance of where I was living in San Francisco (and Napa for a while). I didn’t have to “go away” to seminary. When I moved to go to Western Seminary’s Portland campus for my ThM program I did move away. While in Portland I have developed new perspectives. I was able to do further, focused exploration. I think I have developed new gifts. I have been able to focus on my studies more here than while in California. Finally, I have developed a far stronger network and some wonderful friendships.

That said I moved to Portland from San Francisco because (1) I have had plans to do doctoral studies for a while and I knew I needed a second graduate degree to be prepared. (2) I had a job working with teens in a lock down facility for those with criminal or developmental challenges. I was burnt out by my job and my local church did not have enough room in their budget to offer me anything.

If in an alternative universe my local church–the San Francisco Lighthouse–would have had money to hire me I may not have left San Francisco. Technically, although the ThM is offered from the Portland campus only, it can be done without relocating. I relocated because I had nothing holding me back and I knew I would get more out of the program by being on campus.

If you have the option of doing seminary online, or via correspondence, with limited travel to campus, I would consider it if you are involved in ministry/education now.

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In other news John Byron has written a post titled “Indebted for God? Seminarians and the Debt Trap” in which he addresses the student debt bubble from the perspective of a professor.  He provides several points of advice that are worth considering if you are a seminarian or if you are considering seminary including avoiding accumulating a lot of debt as an undergraduate, avoiding credit cards, working while in seminary, and more.

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In the same vein as my post on seminary and doctrinal quagmires (mentioned and linked above) Able Baker writes a post titled, “And it seems some people finished their tests in seminary,” where he challenges pastors to continue to think critically even after they leave seminary. He points out,

“All one needs to do is pick up a solid book on Christian history and one will clearly see that we the church are beautifully pluralistic in our faith and practice because we are figuring it out as we go. Every major doctrine we hold to as biblical usually has more than three solid ways of seeing it and they have all been arrived at through divinely ordained conversation or argumentation.  I have had the all-to-naive assumption that Christian leaders, for the most part, believe that subjects like Atonement, Trinity, bibliology, etc. are all theories from our human end.  I have learned the hard way that this is not the case… to many theologians, theory is the enemy of faith.”

He reminds readers that truth is truth and God knows the truth but that we are limited: “Our theology as evangelicals, both its application and interpretation are absolutely theoretical.” Then he encourages readers to continue to think critically in “Gospel soaked humility,” to continue to reevaluate what they believe, and to know it is OK to do so.

 

 

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Author: Brian LePort

I'm a blogger with a MA in Biblical and Theological Studies and a Master of Theology (ThM).

13 thoughts on “Seminary education from a distance and other musings.

  1. Brian, thanks for sharing. I’ve been doing on line studies, and it’s a very lonely method of learning, however I am learning and the school I attend is very good. At times even staying motivated is challenging. For now I’ve had to put my studies on hold due to my son starting college at Cal State Fullerton. I just can’t afford to pay for both of us at the same time :D

    I hope to continue next year, and more than likely do on line studies. Mostly due to the affordability of it.

  2. I can see how the “Lone Ranger” nature of online studies can make it difficult. I hope schools find a way to overcome this like Skype or an alternative, even if it is for a few classes or important online “meet-ups” a few times a semester.

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  4. “While in Portland I have developed new perspectives. I was able to do further, focused exploration. I think I have developed new gifts. I have been able to focus on my studies more here than while in California. Finally, I have developed a far stronger network and some wonderful friendships.”

    Great article and you live in a beautiful city Portland is one of the best!

    Thanks for reading my article BTW.

  5. Able,

    Thank you and thank you for writing your article.

  6. Brian, I am halfway through my M.Div at Western Seminary and it is great! Especially since it allows me to stay where I am, minister where I am, and sprinkle in some “in-ministry” intensives that still gives me contact with professors and students. By the way…I plan on reading for Church History tonight!

  7. Tory

    I am glad to hear Western Seminary’s model has helped you. One of the great strengths of Western is the scheduling options and online options. I hope you enjoy your reading (if not, blame Marc Cortez)!

  8. Wonderful post. Good food for thought as I am just starting my MDiv here in Texas.

  9. Matt

    Thanks!

    Debra

    You’re welcome.

  10. Brian,

    I think you are actually making a better case for churches funding seminarians than for distance education. Obviously, the student isn’t in a position to change the lack of church funding and needs to make the best choices that he or she can. Nevertheless, I believe the trend toward seminary education through distance learning reflects a low view of Ministry as well as a low view of God’s word.

    All the studies that I have seen reveal that the vast majority of pastors feel they were under-trained for ministry prior to being ordained. I think the reason for this is that the vast majority of pastors were in fact under-trained for ministry before they were ordained. Finding less expensive ways to get a degree simply doesn’t address this underlying problem. The skills that a pastor needs to learn in Systematic Theology, Greek, Hebrew, Biblical Exegesis, and Historical Theology, along with some aspects of Practical Theology requires very demanding training as well as quite a bit of time. It would be good if we would train up our future pastors rather than dumbing down their education (And I don’t mean to imply that dumbing down is limited to distance learning programs).

    Best wishes,

    David

  11. David

    I understand the point you are making. As someone who enjoys the academic side of ministry as much as anyone I agree that the study of languages, biblical literature, theology, and so forth are essential and often undervalued. I may be willing to concede that this is done best in a “physical” environment. That is my preference.

    Of course, that said, as there are troubles with pastors trying to be like Joel Osteen there are troubles with lectures in the pulpit that can tell us about this or that theologian but have no skill or ability to shepherd real humans through real life situations. If a pastor doesn’t have the funding to be part of a physical seminary, and s/he is already an intrinsic part of her/his local church community, then online learning is better than no learning or leaving one’s context to learn…in my opinion.

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