I think Gregory Boyd has written a fair-minded response to John Piper regarding the Minneapolis, MN, tornadoes, which Piper understood as a warning from God, to the ELCA, regarding homosexual ordination here. I will quote his final two paragraphs:
Far from supporting John’s speculation about why a tornado broke a church steeple, it seems to me this passage directly assails it! It makes me want to ask John, “do you think that the folks at Central Lutheran church are more guilty than you or any others living in the Twin Cities?” And the only answer this passage allows us to give is an unequivocal “no!” In the fallen world in which we live, towers sometimes randomly fall; bridges sometimes randomly collapse; and tornadoes sometimes randomly do property damage – even to churches. That’s all there is to be said about it.Rather than speculating about how God is judging others through natural calamities, Jesus tells his audience they should be concerned with their own relationship with God. “Unless you repent,” Jesus said, ” you too will perish.” Jesus boldly confronts our tendency to find a speck in another’s eye and our temptation to assume God is involved in their misfortune as we overlook the two-by-four sticking out of our own eye (Mt. 7:1-3). Instead, we should follow Paul’s example and consider ourselves worse sinners than others (1 Tim. 1:15-16) and concern ourselves with the judgment we ourselves will receive if we don’t repent and throw ourselves on God’s mercy.
It’s a warning I think we all do well to adhere to.
August 21, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Who is John Piper to offer this interpretation? We don't know for sure.
August 21, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Well, now that Falwell has passed away and Robertson has been quiet as of late we need a new spokesman for the odd, logic-less, hit-or-miss, acts of God.
August 21, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I like Piper, but not as the next Falwell and Robertson.
August 21, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I have not yet read much of Piper. I began to follow him on Twitter. Most of his Tweets are edifying. I wasn't sure about this whole 'tornado warning the Lutherans' thing though.
August 21, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I just posted on the whole incident. I'm with Boyd on this one.
August 21, 2009 at 6:32 pm
I saw that and I have already commented!
August 21, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I've read/listened to Piper quite a bit, and I think for the most part, his words are very edifying. Granted this tornado warning thing is a bit odd, I think Piper would be the first to admit that he "too will perish" apart from the mercies of God. I'm not sure why Boyd says “do you think that the folks at Central Lutheran church are more guilty than you or any others living in the Twin Cities?” when Piper in his blog wrote "Conclusion: The tornado in Minneapolis was a gentle but firm warning to the ELCA and all of us"
August 21, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Mike,
Welcome back from Africa! You make a good observation that Piper did not totally single out the Lutheran convention. On the other hand, he did write the piece in the context of the Lutheran convention, so I can see where Boyd would understand Piper to be essentially singling out the ELCA.
August 21, 2009 at 10:55 pm
The more I think about it the more I think Piper does, in essence, single out the ELCA. His "and all of us" is like saying, "and anyone who acts like a ELCA should also beware". Piper himself should write a follow up clarifying his own thoughts.
August 21, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Brian,
Thanks! What a trip. Going from the West Coast to Africa is quite an ordeal… Anyway, I do agree with you that Piper probably should write a follow-up. I know him and Boyd have gone at it before regarding open theism, and this seems to be a distant-cousin of that dispute…
Hope you are enjoying your new home in Portland!
August 21, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Portland has been good to us thus far. The unemployment rate is scary and I am still amongst the jobless, but I suspect that will be over within the next week or so. I pray that this is so.
Yes, there is a connection between the poles of Open Theism and hard-line Calvinism as regards this matter. Didn't both Boyd and Piper hold professorships at the same seminary as well?
August 24, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Yeah they were both at Bethel Seminary… but I don't know if they were there at the same time